The 10 Best Wideout List
(or Why the hell isn't Marvin Harrison about 5-7 spots higher?)
Recently ESPN did a story in which a panel of experts were
asked to select the top 10 receivers of all time. You can also read an interesting debate of this topic on the Footballoutsiders link to the column. Ignoring for a moment the ridiculous level of
impossibility in comparing wide receivers across different eras of the game, we
at 18to88 took real exception to the placement of Marvin Harrison at #10 on the list. Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, and Chris
Carter were all ranked ahead of Harrison.
It was stated that these were subjective rankings, and
according to Mike Sando, the author of the piece, the voters weighed
physicality more heavily than speed, hands, or route running. It is
the aim of this article to argue Harrison is
clearly superior to Irvin, Owens and Carter.
We feel that comparing numbers between these receivers is possible and
valid because their careers overlapped.
We are not going to argue about the players who were not
Marvin’s contemporaries because it’s a fruitless, subjective argument. We aren’t going to argue about Randy Moss
either. While Marvin is comparable to
Moss in many ways, we consider Moss to be one of the most devastating offensive
weapons in the history of football, and so in a completely subjective sense will not argue about his ranking. The
only question about Moss is, “Why hasn’t he become the unquestioned greatest
receiver ever?”
Argument #1 Marvin
Harrison is a superior WR to Chris Carter.
- Harrison has a higher percentage of ‘elite’ seasons
than Carter.
The first season that Carter made
the Pro Bowl was 1993. In his 7th
year in the NFL, he posted his first 1000 yard season and 9 TDs. His YPC was 12.5 (lower than his career average
of 12.6). This would be the first of his
8 consecutive elite seasons. Half of
Carter’s 16 seasons were at an elite level.
Marvin Harrison’s first Pro Bowl
came in 1999, and his next 8 seasons all sent him to the Pro Bowl. His first break out season saw him post 1663
yards, 116 catches and 12 TDs. It was
only his fourth year in the NFL. Harrison has posted 8 elite seasons in 12 years in the
NFL. 75% of Harrison’s
seasons have been elite.
- Harrison’s peak years were better than Carter’s peak
years
Chris Carter’s 5 best seasons
|
Year
|
Age
|
Rec
|
Yds
|
Y/R
|
TD
|
Lng
|
R/G
|
Y/G
|
|
1995*+
|
30
|
122
|
1371
|
11.2
|
17
|
60
|
7.6
|
85.7
|
|
1996*+
|
31
|
96
|
1163
|
12.1
|
10
|
43
|
6
|
72.7
|
|
1997*
|
32
|
89
|
1069
|
12
|
13
|
43
|
5.6
|
66.8
|
|
1999*+
|
34
|
90
|
1241
|
13.8
|
13
|
68
|
5.6
|
77.6
|
|
2000*
|
35
|
96
|
1274
|
13.3
|
9
|
53
|
6
|
79.6
|
Marvin Harrison’s 5 Best seasons
|
1999*+
|
27
|
115
|
1663
|
14.5
|
12
|
57
|
7.2
|
103.9
|
|
2000*+
|
28
|
102
|
1413
|
13.9
|
14
|
78
|
6.4
|
88.3
|
|
2001*+
|
29
|
109
|
1524
|
14
|
15
|
68
|
6.8
|
95.3
|
|
2002*+
|
30
|
143
|
1722
|
12
|
11
|
69
|
8.9
|
107.6
|
|
2006*+
|
34
|
95
|
1366
|
14.4
|
12
|
68
|
5.9
|
85.4
|
Average Season (of the 5 best)
Carter
Catches Yards YPC TDs CPG YPG
|
98.6
|
1223.6
|
12.4
|
12.4
|
6.2
|
76.5
|
Harrison
|
112.8
|
1537.6
|
13.6
|
12.8
|
7.1
|
96.1
|
It’s clear that at his best, Harrison’s numbers were superior to Carter at his best. He caught more balls for more yards, with a
higher YPC and more touchdowns. If these
two players were up against each other for a Pro Bowl nod, it’s clear which one
would be chosen. Note also that 4 of Harrison’s 5 best seasons were chosen before the “point of
emphasis” on illegal contact in 2004. Harrison’s number were every bit as good before the rules
were correctly enforced as they were after.
- Harrison’s ‘volume numbers’ are almost identical to
Carter’s in 59 fewer games
Carter G
Catches
Yards
YPC
TDs
|
Career
|
234
|
1101
|
13899
|
12.6
|
130
|
Harrison
|
Career
|
175
|
1042
|
13944
|
13.4
|
123
|
Harrison has more yards, 59
fewer catches and 7 fewer touchdowns despite playing essentially 3 and a half
fewer seasons than Carter.
- Harrison has more All Pro teams than Carter-
Harrison
was named to an All Pro Team 8 times.
Carter had three such seasons.
Arguments for Carter:
The two main arguments for Chris
Carter over Harrison are:
- He
played with worse quarterbacks. Perhaps
no one on this list played with an odder assortment of qbs than did
Carter. He certainly did not
benefit from stability or outstanding skill from the guys he played
with. In general, we don’t give
this argument much weight when comparing WRs, but in this case it has some
validity.
- Carter
scored 8 playoff touchdowns while Marvin Harrison has struggled in the
playoffs. Harrison
has certainly had some tough games in the playoffs, but the value of
Carter’s scores is certainly in question.
The Vikings went 2-6 in games in which he scored. Only one of his scores gave his team the
lead, and one other tied a game. He
scored 4 times in games in which his team lost by at least two
touchdowns. In
other words, much of his ‘superior’ performance came in
blowouts in which his team lost. It's not particularly relevant,
but Harrison does have a Super Bowl ring and Carter does not.
Harrison also caught a key 2 point conversion against New England
in the 2007 AFC Championship Game.
Final Argument:
Carter and Harrison were contemporaries.
Two of their best seasons overlapped one another. At his best, Harrison
was superior. He was not just among the
best, but one of the best two wideouts in the game more often than Carter. Though his career is not over, if it ended
today, his volume stats would stand up well.
Carter may have been a more physical receiver, but Harrison
was a better route runner, had better hands and speed. He clearly has had a superior career to that
of Chris Carter.
Argument #2 Marvin Harrison is superior to Michael IrvinWithout making any gratuitous comments about cocaine and whores let's look at the numbers:
1. Marvin Harrison has more 'elite' seasons than Michael IrvinIrvin
had elite seasons in 1991-1995 and again in 1997. He had a
strong, but injury shorted 1996. By 1998, his career had waned.
In six excellent seasons, he helped the Cowboys to 3 world
titles. Harrison has had 8 elite seasons to this point in his
career.
2. Harrison's peak years were better than Irvin's peak years.Irvin's five best seasons:
Year
Age Catches
Yards YPC
TDS CPG
YPG
| 1991*+ |
25 |
93 |
1523 |
16.4 |
8 |
5.8 |
95.2 |
| 1992*+ |
26 |
78 |
1396 |
17.9 |
7 |
4.9 |
87.3 |
| 1993*+ |
27 |
88 |
1330 |
15.1 |
7 |
5.5 |
83.1 |
| 1994* |
28 |
79 |
1241 |
15.7 |
6 |
4.9 |
77.6 |
| 1995* |
29 |
111 |
1603 |
14.4 |
10 |
6.9 |
100.2 |
Average season:
Catches Yards YPC TDS CPG YPG
| 89.8 |
1418.6 |
15.8 |
7.6 |
|
5.6 |
88.7 |
|
| 89.8 |
1418.6 |
15.8 |
7.6 |
|
5.6 |
88.7 |
|
89.8
1418.6 15.8
7.6 5.6
88.7
| 89.8 |
1418.6 |
15.8 |
7.6 |
|
5.6 |
88.7 |
|
Harrison's five best seasons:
| 1999*+ |
27 |
115 |
1663 |
14.5 |
12 |
7.2 |
103.9 |
| 2000*+ |
28 |
102 |
1413 |
13.9 |
14 |
6.4 |
88.3 |
| 2001*+ |
29 |
109 |
1524 |
14 |
15 |
6.8 |
95.3 |
| 2002*+ |
30 |
143 |
1722 |
12 |
11 |
8.9 |
107.6 |
| 2006*+ |
34 |
95 |
1366 |
14.4 |
12 |
5.9 |
85.4 |
Average season:
Catches
Yards YPC
TDS CPG YPG
|
112.8
|
1537.6
|
13.6
|
12.8
|
7.1
|
96.1
|
Again,
as in the previous instance, it's clear that Harrison's best years were
superior to Irvin's best years. Harrison surpassed Irvin in every
statistical category except yards per catch. Irvin's lack of
touchdowns is particularly glaring.
3.
Harrison's volume stats dwarf those of Irvin.Irvin's career numbers:
| 159 |
147 |
750 |
11904 |
15.9 |
65 |
87 |
4.7 |
74.9 |
|
| 159 |
147 |
750 |
11904 |
15.9 |
65 |
87 |
4.7 |
74.9 |
|
Games C Yards YPC Tds
| 159 |
147 |
750 |
11904 |
15.9 |
65 |
87 |
4.7 |
74.9 |
|
159
750 11904 15.9
65
Harrison's career numbers:
Games
Catches Yards
YPC TDS
In
just one extra season of games, Harrison caught 292 more passes for
2000 more yards and nearly double the touchdowns. Irvin does not
come close to the production of Harrison.
4. Harrison has 8 All Pro seasons to just three for Irvin.5.
Irvin's
significant off the field problems were a distraction to his team and
limited his greatness. While a player, he conducted himself in a
selfish way and didn't put his team before his own desire to smoke
crack and party with hookers.Arguments for IrvinEssentially arguments for Irvin boil down to one of the following:
1. He was a savage blocker and vocal locker room leader. He also had a much higher YPC than Harrison.
2.
He had amazing postseason performances. This is
indisputable. He had 8 postseason TDs (2 in a Super Bowl).
The majority of those were key scores in wins. His
postseason record is clearly superior to Harrison's. He was an
anchor of three Super Bowl champion teams. Harrison has only one
ring.
3. He played for the Cowboys.
Final Argument:Harrison
was better at his best than Irvin was for whole seasons. Harrison
was better longer. Anyone claiming that Irvin was a better player
is probably basing their argument solely on intangible non-measurable
things (but apparently not drug use), or solely on the results of a few
playoff games. We don't believe that a decade of results can be
so easily toppled by a handful of memorable moments.
Argument #3 Harrison is superior to Terrell OwensThe
Harrison/TO comparison is an interesting one because they polar
opposites in many respects. Owens is large physically, brash and
outspoken, with poor hands, changes teams often, and has incredibly
high touchdown totals. Harrison is small physically, rarely
speaks, has world class hands, played his whole career for one team,
and averages more catches per season than any player in history.
Both have had essentially 8 elite seasons.
1. Harrison's 5 best seasons are superior to Owen's 5 best seasons.Terrell Owens
Year
Age Games
Catches Yards YPC TDs
CPG YPG
Average:
Ca Yards YPC TD CPG YPG
| 89.6 |
1343.6 |
15.00 |
14.2 |
|
5.6 |
84.0 |
|
89.6
1343.6 15.00 14.2
5.6 84.0
Harrison
Games Catches Yards
YPC TDs
CPG YPG
| 1999*+ |
16 |
115 |
1663 |
14.5 |
12 |
7.2 |
103.9 |
| 2000*+ |
16 |
102 |
1413 |
13.9 |
14 |
6.4 |
88.3 |
| 2001*+ |
16 |
109 |
1524 |
14 |
15 |
6.8 |
95.3 |
| 2002*+ |
16 |
143 |
1722 |
12 |
11 |
8.9 |
107.6 |
| 2006*+ |
16 |
95 |
1366 |
14.4 |
12 |
5.9 |
85.4 |
Average:
Ca Yards TDs YPC CPG YPG
112.8 1537.6 13.6 12.8 7.1 96.1
Harrison consistently caught more balls for more yards. Owens had a handful of additional touchdowns.
2. Footballoutsiders
new stats also show Harrison's superiority. These stats cover
2000-2006. Harrison didn't factor in 2007 because of injuries.
| 112.8 |
1537.6 |
13.6 |
12.8 |
7.1 |
96.1 |
|
|
Player |
Team |
DPAR |
DPAR |
PAR |
PAR |
DVOA |
DVOA |
VOA |
Passes |
Yards |
TD |
Catch % |
|
Rank |
Rank |
Rank |
| 2000 |
T.Owens |
SF |
40.4 |
6 |
47.5 |
3 |
28.30% |
13 |
37.40% |
144 |
1450 |
13 |
66.70% |
|
M.Harrison |
IND |
35.7 |
9 |
37 |
9 |
18.70% |
29 |
20.00% |
169 |
1415 |
14 |
60.40% |
| 2001, |
M.Harrison |
IND |
51.4 |
1 |
50.3 |
1 |
31.20% |
5 |
30.00% |
164 |
1524 |
17 |
66.50% |
|
T.Owens |
SF |
36.8 |
4 |
41.6 |
3 |
19.00% |
11 |
24.30% |
154 |
1412 |
18 |
60.40% |
| 2002, |
88-M.Harrison |
IND |
48.4 |
1 |
48.2 |
1 |
20.10% |
11 |
19.90% |
205 |
1722 |
11 |
70% |
|
81-T.Owens |
SF |
28.6 |
8 |
29.6 |
8 |
12.00% |
20 |
13.10% |
159 |
1300 |
13 |
63% |
| 2003 |
88-M.Harrison |
IND |
35.1 |
5 |
31.2 |
5 |
32.70% |
12 |
26.50% |
142 |
1273 |
10 |
66% |
|
81-T.Owens |
SF |
12.4 |
31 |
16.3 |
23 |
0.70% |
43 |
6.70% |
145 |
1102 |
9 |
55% |
| 2004 |
81-T.Owens |
PHI |
31.9 |
10 |
28.7 |
12 |
23.20% |
17 |
18.80% |
127 |
1202 |
14 |
61% |
|
88-M.Harrison |
IND |
28.6 |
12 |
31.4 |
10 |
14.60% |
32 |
18.10% |
139 |
1113 |
15 |
62% |
| 2005 |
88-M.Harrison |
IND |
26 |
13 |
30.9 |
6 |
13.00% |
23 |
19.40% |
132 |
1136 |
12 |
62% |
|
81-T.Owens |
PHI |
13.2 |
27 |
11.4 |
32 |
7.20% |
32 |
3.60% |
92 |
763 |
6 |
51% |
| 2006 |
88-M.Harrison |
IND |
44.3 |
2 |
43.3 |
2 |
28.90% |
5 |
27.80% |
148 |
1366 |
12 |
64% |
|
81-T.Owens |
DAL |
27.4 |
8 |
28.6 |
7 |
12.20% |
28 |
13.50% |
152 |
1180 |
13 |
56% |
In
these seven years, Harrison outpaced Owens 5 times. In one other
year (2004), Harrison and Owens had eerily similar seasons. Note
the catch rate for the two players. In 2000, Owens caught an
excellent 66% of pass thrown to him. He would never approach that
level again. Harrison caught a significantly better % (6, 7, 11,
11, 8) of his passes in 5 other years. Harrison ranked in the top
15 in DPAR in all 7 years, and in the top 5 4 different times
(including leading the league in DPAR twice). Owens was in the
top 5 only one time, and twice ranked below 25 (he was injured for part
of 2005). Harrison had a better per play average than Owens 5
times.
Both are excellent players, but in their primes from 2000-2006, Harrison was consistently the more valuable receiver.
3. Harrison's volume numbers outpace those of TO Owens
G
Ca Yards YPC
TD
Career
173
882 13070 14.8 129
Harrison
G
Ca Yards YPC
TD
| 175 |
173 |
1042 |
13944 |
13.4 |
123 |
80 |
6 |
79.7 |
|
Career
175
1042 13944 13.4
123
Playing in just two more games than
Owens, Harrison has posted 160 more catches for 870 more yards.
Owens has 6 more scores.
4. Harrison has 8 All Pro teams to five for Owens.5.
Owens intentionally sabotaged his team and his quarterback on
multiple occasions. Causing sever locker room rifts and sinking
whole seasons for his team.6.
Many
of Owens' numbers are similar to Harrison's, but his low catch rates in
several seasons and penchant for drops (he lead the league in 2007)
severely limit his value. Owens simply can't be counted on to
catch key balls for first downs. He has a unique ability to break
plays for scores, but is a questionable target on a simple 3rd and 5
from the 45. He can finish drives, but his ability to keep them
alive must be questioned.The Argument for Owens:
1.
Owens has consistently had a better YPC than Harrison. He
doesn't catch as many short passes, and breaks the ones he does for
longer gains.
2. He is probably the most physically intimidating wideout in football because of his ability to break and shed tacklers.
3.
Harrison's injury this year has put his career in question,
whereas Owens had a remarkable 2007 campaign, perhaps his best.
4. Owens performance in a losing cause in the Super Bowl was one of the best big games ever from a wide receiver.
5. Harrison's numbers are a factor of receiving far more pass attempts than TO.
Final Argument:
This
is a fascinating debate because of the conflicting style of the two
men. Their careers are still going on, so in three seasons, this
question might have a very different answer. Still, through this
point in their careers, it's clear that Harrison has been more
productive. Owens' penchant for dropped balls simply cannot be
overlooked. Owens has been an elite receiver for some time, but
lacks Harrison's consistency. Owens oft discussed ability to
destroy a locker room cannot be overlooked. Harrison has been the
superior player, but must continue to be productive in order to
maintain that title.
Stats courtesy of
Profootballreference.com