Comments for Peter King demotes Anthony Gonazlez to fourth string at http://18to88.com , comment 1 to 29 out of 20 comments http://18to88.com Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:29:10 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-629 Well look at Harrison's 08 numbers, and compare them to Gonzalez's. With the same QB there was a pretty big difference between the two players. Or check his 2007 numbers (when he was the #2 most of the season) against Reggie Wayne's, it's not to big of a difference (though obviously Wayne is facing tougher coverage, it shows that he can excel as a #2 WR) There's enough to make me confident that Gonzalez will be a very good #2 WR for Indy. - shake n bake Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:30:30 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-628 Yeah it was a joke. I like to poke at that stereotype whenever I see hints of it. Maybe because Tim Dwight is my all time favorite non-Colt and I loved his (brief thanks to an exploding hamstring) second coming, in Andy Brodell. - shake n bake Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:11:16 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-625 Shake-n-bake ... .after your post of the extensive stats breakdown; I realize that the "Gonzalez is white" comment probably was a tongue-in-cheek comment and I apologize for taking it any other way. You are to be commended on the effort it must have taken to put that information together. The stats are very impressive and quite interesting; but it is difficult to make much of a prediction about future events from any of those stats ...... with maybe one exception. It looks like anybody that becomes a primary target for Peyton Manning has a chance at putting up good numbers in your categories. The stats seem to show a correlation that either good receivers make the QB look good .... .or a good QB makes the receivers look good. Hard to tell which came first; the chicken or the egg! - tjbindy Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:01:00 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-622 That's cool and I appreciate the kind words. What I would say about Gonzo is that all the non-stat stuff has always been off the charts. The scuttle-butt on him is that he works hard, is fanatical about preparation, and takes the game seriously. His volume numbers say that he's right where he should be. His quality numbers (DVOA, Catch rate) are off the charts. It's hard to fake all three (off field reports, volume stats, quality stats). If Gozno wasn't legit there would be something, somewhere that showed it. All the stats, all the reports seem to agree. But again, a player has to cross the elite threshold in reality. This is the year for him. There's no 88 vulturing his throws. The Colts absolutely need 70-80 catches and 1100-1200 yards with several scores from Gonzo. I see no reason to doubt that he'll do it. He's in the nether-world between "unproven" and "super-star". He's closer to star than bust at this point, however. - DZ Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:07:37 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-621 here's the series of posts http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/6/13/908469/anthony-gonzalez-and-wide-reciever http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/6/21/920015/anthony-gonzalez-and-wide-reciever http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/6/29/928907/wr-stats-2006-2001-data-added-and - shake n bake Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:01:36 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-620 I've run the numbers on the depth of routes Gonzo was running and even accounting for his above average YAC he was running slightly deeper than average routes, with a catch% in the top handful of the league. - shake n bake Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:00:18 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-619 I do appreciate the gesture; but no apology is either needed nor desired IF you prove to be wrong. I very much enjoy your web site and your insight. I heard your interview on the radio a couple months ago and was quite impressed. You are just expressing your opinion which is very much respected, well thought out, and factually supported. As for the stats ... I would love to share with you where I am coming from but it really doesnt belong here. I do not mean to imply that there is any intent to rig them. However; most stats are flawed if you look deep enough or look at them with too much generality. They are nice info; but not much more. For example; lost in completion percentage stat is information like type of routes and quality of the other receivers on the field. Both of which could inflate a completion percentage without any intent to rig the numbers. - tjbindy Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:28:34 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-618 I think the "white" comment was a joke... You are right, stats can be skewed, but no one did that here. Just because the numbers don't support you, doesn't mean they were rigged. I'll tell you what: barring injury, if AG doesn't have 1,000 yards receiving this year, I'll publicly apologize to you. How's that? - DZ Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:46:01 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-617 Because Gonzalez is white? Come on; who cares if he is white, brown, yellow, green ... or even a Martian? There are lots of ways to skew stats; even Catch percentage. I could list a few here; but frankly it doesn't take much thought to figure a few out so I won't waste your time. - tjbindy Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:38:47 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-599 It's because Anthony Gonzalez is white. - shake n bake Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:25:56 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-597 He's by far the fastest receiver the Colts have. Possibly the fastest in the division. He has never really had a huge amount of hype. He was a bottom of the first round pick that has never been asked to do too much. This year he'll be asked to do more, and every indication is that he will. You're entirely free not to trust him yet but I don't know know where in the hell you came up with slow. - Willy Duer Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:48:32 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-596 And yet he has a HoF vote, does he not? - Derek Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:27:50 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-578 @TJBindy Take a look at this post and then complain about Gonzalez. http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/first-two-years.html - DZ Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:42:08 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-577 Remember, Peter King is the same guy who said on the radio that he didn't know if he'd vote Marvin Harrison for the Hall of Fame, just because he couldn't recall any memorably catches that Marvin had made. - Maedhros Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:38:51 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-576 Let's all write into PK and see if we can make his mailbag. He's got a TO ego, let's see if he takes back his boneheadedness if he's confronted with statistical evidence. My bet: unlikely. - ColtsHeadBen Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:37:58 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-574 Alright TJBINDY, you asked for it. Let's table this discussion for a few minutes while I work up a new article. It'll be up in an hour or so, then we can renew the discussion of Anthony Gonzalez using actual data. - DZ Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:09:41 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-573 Oh yes, devious us. Skewing the stats by using receptions divided by targets. - shake n bake Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:01:07 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-572 After the comment early in the last article and then this one. Not sure your angle. Who could possibly believe anything you said about Gonzo? He has been a success story already. We can make numbers say anything we want them to say? Are you serious?? We're talking about catch rate here, not some obscure and meaningless stat. Meaningless is one preseason drop. Catch rate over the course of a season is a good indicator. You know what, I am going to consider that you just have a strange sense of humor, and that you're being heavily sarcastic with that kind of talk. And so I'm preaching to the choir, as you really agree that Gonzo is great. Sorry for the ramble, amigo! - coltsfanawalt Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:50:53 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-571 I can't wait. - Cass Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:33:51 +0100 http://18to88.com/2009-archives/august/peter-king-demotes-anthony-gonazlez-to-fourth-string.html#comment-570 Tj, are you crazy? Did you forget about Gonzo in his rookie year stepping up when Marvin went down? Or how about the Eagles preseason game when he caught the corner fade behind Asante Samuel? That was a Marvin-esque catch and he made it easily. Frankly I find this whole "Gonzo isn't living up to the hype" thing ridiculous. When he was drafted everyone was excited for him to be then next Brandon Stokely, but there was very little hype in terms of his ability to be a solid #2 until he did just that after Harrison went down. And maybe my memory is bad, but did Reggie Wayne have as much hype as a #2 as Gonzo apparently does? Do you think he should step out of the way after all the dropped passes last year? Have some faith man, holy crap. - NormFThomas Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:32:57 +0100